I accounted for that by my reference to Dr Swamidass. I actually mean by monogenism that they are the only parents and all come from them, and there were no other humans other than from Adam and Eve
I think your main point remains valid, I just think that isn’t the precise use of monogenism used by others. What we both agree upon is that the one origin out of Africa is the consensus but a two parent á la Swamidas or Craig theory is only some plausible theory that isn’t accepted as fact outside of Christian circles.
Erick, you say: "If we can’t naturally travel outside our atmosphere, then it’s not meant for normative habitation."
If by "naturally traveling" you mean only using our bodies, without any artifact, then you'll be ruling out travel between continents as well. Should we conclude then that humans should have never migrated to the Americas or Australia?
On the other hand, If you don't rule out ocean-crossing then it means that "naturally traveling" entails creating artifacts to traverse the ocean by using our natural reason. Why would space travel be different than this?
I've been studying this for a long time. I have some substacks about it at https://funday.createaforum.com/improve/sub/msg538/#msg538. The evidence is strong that Noah's Flood caused the formation of nearly all sedimentary rock on Earth, as well as most fossils, as well as mountains and that it occurred about 5200 years ago, according to the more accurate Septuagint Bible. The Younger Dryas event occurred about 700 years later, c. 4500 years ago and it involved a lot of glacial (Ice Age) melt-water flooding, which some mistake for Noah's Flood. Both events were caused by meteor impacts, tsunamis, volcanism etc. That's what's demonstrable. It can't be demonstrated that God caused them, except that logically God causes everything.
Everything on Earth before the Flood was destroyed and/or buried under sediment (and many living things were fossilized), except possibly for Noah's Ark, of which remnants seem to remain. So it's nearly impossible to determine the age of the Earth from prior remains. Rates of helium escape and potassium decay do indicate that the continents are not over 8,000 years old. But the age of the rest of the Earth (the interior under the continents) isn't yet determinable.
We don't have the true "word of God". It is spirit. The original scriptures may have been close to the true word of God, but we only have copies of copies of copies of them. The spirit does seem to come through quite a bit, but the full spirit seems to require unity as explained in Acts 15 etc.
It seems highly likely that the universe is part of God and is eternal. The Hebrew word for "created" seems to mean "formed". If so, then the Earth was formed. Or the creation story may have been referring to the formation of Heaven, a physical Heaven that was close to Earth, similar to the way the Book of Revelation refers to the return of Christ as indicated by Mars in the sign of Virgo, the Virgin (in 2027 according to Darren Thompson). It's possible that the universe was created c. 7,000 years ago, as some interpret the creation story, but that would seem to require that the speed of light has changed a lot since creation, since much of the universe is claimed to be well over 7,000 light years away. However, the best measurement methods are very unreliable, based on shaky assumptions, so it turns out that all of the stars and galaxies could be within 7,000+ light years. It's rather certain that the universe is not expanding rapidly, as mainstream science claims. They use redshift of light to estimate speed and distance of objects (equating high redshift with greater speed and distance), but redshift has other causes besides speed. Ionization also causes redshift. There is a high-redshift quasar in front of a low-redshift galaxy, so that quasar can't be farther away than the galaxy.
I’m not sure if you’re using monogenism correctly. I believe it’s the current scientific consensus that humans originated out of Africa with one origin.
I accounted for that by my reference to Dr Swamidass. I actually mean by monogenism that they are the only parents and all come from them, and there were no other humans other than from Adam and Eve
I think your main point remains valid, I just think that isn’t the precise use of monogenism used by others. What we both agree upon is that the one origin out of Africa is the consensus but a two parent á la Swamidas or Craig theory is only some plausible theory that isn’t accepted as fact outside of Christian circles.
Erick, you say: "If we can’t naturally travel outside our atmosphere, then it’s not meant for normative habitation."
If by "naturally traveling" you mean only using our bodies, without any artifact, then you'll be ruling out travel between continents as well. Should we conclude then that humans should have never migrated to the Americas or Australia?
On the other hand, If you don't rule out ocean-crossing then it means that "naturally traveling" entails creating artifacts to traverse the ocean by using our natural reason. Why would space travel be different than this?
I've been studying this for a long time. I have some substacks about it at https://funday.createaforum.com/improve/sub/msg538/#msg538. The evidence is strong that Noah's Flood caused the formation of nearly all sedimentary rock on Earth, as well as most fossils, as well as mountains and that it occurred about 5200 years ago, according to the more accurate Septuagint Bible. The Younger Dryas event occurred about 700 years later, c. 4500 years ago and it involved a lot of glacial (Ice Age) melt-water flooding, which some mistake for Noah's Flood. Both events were caused by meteor impacts, tsunamis, volcanism etc. That's what's demonstrable. It can't be demonstrated that God caused them, except that logically God causes everything.
Everything on Earth before the Flood was destroyed and/or buried under sediment (and many living things were fossilized), except possibly for Noah's Ark, of which remnants seem to remain. So it's nearly impossible to determine the age of the Earth from prior remains. Rates of helium escape and potassium decay do indicate that the continents are not over 8,000 years old. But the age of the rest of the Earth (the interior under the continents) isn't yet determinable.
We don't have the true "word of God". It is spirit. The original scriptures may have been close to the true word of God, but we only have copies of copies of copies of them. The spirit does seem to come through quite a bit, but the full spirit seems to require unity as explained in Acts 15 etc.
It seems highly likely that the universe is part of God and is eternal. The Hebrew word for "created" seems to mean "formed". If so, then the Earth was formed. Or the creation story may have been referring to the formation of Heaven, a physical Heaven that was close to Earth, similar to the way the Book of Revelation refers to the return of Christ as indicated by Mars in the sign of Virgo, the Virgin (in 2027 according to Darren Thompson). It's possible that the universe was created c. 7,000 years ago, as some interpret the creation story, but that would seem to require that the speed of light has changed a lot since creation, since much of the universe is claimed to be well over 7,000 light years away. However, the best measurement methods are very unreliable, based on shaky assumptions, so it turns out that all of the stars and galaxies could be within 7,000+ light years. It's rather certain that the universe is not expanding rapidly, as mainstream science claims. They use redshift of light to estimate speed and distance of objects (equating high redshift with greater speed and distance), but redshift has other causes besides speed. Ionization also causes redshift. There is a high-redshift quasar in front of a low-redshift galaxy, so that quasar can't be farther away than the galaxy.
Thanks for all you do! 🙏
I’m not sure if you’re using monogenism correctly. I believe it’s the current scientific consensus that humans originated out of Africa with one origin.
No that’s not the consensus. But to your question on monogenism - I accounted for this by the reference to Swamidass
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monogenism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans
I know my old teachers wouldn’t like me citing Wikipedia, but it seems like Wikipedia believes monogenism is the consensus.
So in religious circles, monogenism is more specific to Adam and Eve being the parents of all human beings. Wiki itself makes that distinction
Ok thanks for the clarification.